3/01/2010

Why don't YOU get a Spring Break?

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I'm wondering why YOU don't get a spring break?

So, what do YOU think?
keith drury

14 comments:

Craig said...

My people are not so much different than your students--the average person who SAYS they attend my church is actually only there about half the time. The big difference is that they expect ME to be there every Sunday! *Craig*

Kevin said...

Great, provocative question. One potential downside of your proposal is that it removes children even further from their primary educational institution--the home. I wonder what the unintended consequences of that would be. In some cases, it would surely be an improvement, but as a general rule, I'm not convinced.

David Drury said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

Kevin, if the primary place for the education of children is the home (which I agree with) then I presume you too are a home schooling parent and thus you already have year round school for all practical purposes and work your breaks into your children's life along with learning.

This article reminds me how little the public schools actually do. To be honest in only two hours a day my children speed past what others get in public school all day long. Everything beyond that is extra.

What I'm thiking about now is how they can get home-college-ing.

homeschool mom

Angie Van De Merwe said...

Funny, as I 'heard" a different question about "time off", not education in this entry. Time is money in our society. And if the market drives what an individual's salary "should be", which it does in our free market society, then it would be hard to find professors to fill certain specialities at private university salaries to work year round..Some choose to supplement their income in their "time off", while others choose to use the time off for other values, such as time with family.

What one chooses to do in one's vocation has many aspects to it. Salary is only one dimension, but usually an important one for those trying to raise a family.

Should a salary meet the expectations of market value or the time demanded to get a certain degree or both? Should "time off" be limited so that professor can be more productive for the university's purposes? And are those purposes to be negotiated or mandated by the university leadership? That is the decision of university leadership to make.

But, many "well-respected" and/or established scholars from all fields would have a hard time swallowing authoritarial leadership with little input about their livlihoods and what that might mean for their families.

Greg said...

HMMMMM.... I am a elementary behavior disorder teacher and I love my breaks. However I have a masters with 6 years of experience and only make $35,000 a year. So do you think if we worked more we would get paid more.

Angie Van De Merwe said...

No Greg, but you chose your vocation, didn't you? And when yo did choose this vocation, then did you not know you were going to be subject to the public school's "system"?

What Dr. Drury is talking about is a change for those who choose education as a vocation. The change has to do with the time invested. Don't you think that the time invested is considered when one considers which profession to commit to, as well as salary.

Jess said...

I do think if teachers worked more they should get paid a little more. While they may get a paycheck year round, they are only getting paid for the time they are "working." It would be a bit unfair to double their workload and essentially cut their pay in half. I think teachers don't get paid enough as it is, but that's just my opinion (I'm not a teacher, either). They are so instrumental in shaping the future of our children and the gov't is constantly making cuts in their pay and the resources they get...but that's not the point of this article :).

John Mark said...

I have a number of educators in my church. And several of them are on the Church Board. I think I will bring this up at the next board meeting. Surely they would be sympathetic to some accommodation on this :).
Craig's point is pretty much on the money too, and supported by recent research.
I realize this has nothing to do with the actual thrust of the article, and for the record, my church is very good to allow me to attend retreats and conferences: I don't have as much time off as a college prof, but I can't complain.

Chap said...

I would never change school schedules for elementary and high school age students. I have fond memories of sultry summer afternoons playing ball with my buds...and the ensuing life lessons I learned there.
I think in a discussion like this we tend to over-estimate school, textbooks and classrooms to give us all that we need to know.
I suppose you could make an argument for extending days in school over spring break etc...

As for college students, I would agree, but I'm sure this is a cost problem. College education is expensive enough without adding it to a year-round endeavor.

Anonymous said...

You mentioned Germany so I will have to make a comment. Germany does have "year around" school but the total days in school are not much fewer if any than in the states. They have 6 weeks in the summer, 3 two week breaks and then many shorter breaks. What it tends to do is make over twenty Sundays a year part of a school break. Not good for church attendance in such an affluent society. Jobs here begin with a 4 week vacation and go up with many having 6 weeks or more off. Sorry this does not address your topic but since we live in Germany I couldn't help making a comment.

Angie Van De Merwe said...

It seems there are two strains of concern expressed here.

One has the concern for education as a value and if that value is to be considered the State's responsibility.

The other seesm to assume public education but seeks to understand the obligations/responsibilities of negotiating the "needs of the State" and the needs of the individual educator...

Anonymous said...

I heard a gentleman say that education was used by women years ago to move up in society.

Could it be that educational community has developed a "cast" system in America that it has tried to subtly enforce?

Does the higher level of the cast system deserve to not work for a week in the spring and for a couple months in the summer?

Is the educational system, with its loan usuary, the new prison system in America?

Or was the educational loan system some baby- boomers way of getting a free ride in retirement?

Keith Drury said...

Thanks for the posts! Perhaps a silly article worthy of nothing more than Spring break pondering... but I'd like to add these thoughts whichw ere the basis of the column:

SENIOR PASTORS: As you hire fresh college graduates remember that they are used to having about 200 days a year off... be sympathetic to them as they adjust to one day off a week and only two weeks vacation.

STUDENTS: the adult world is looming--enjoy your time off now and take pictures.

PROFESSORS & TEACHERS: It is only a matter of time until administrators figure out how to utilize their front-line workers better on a year-round basis.